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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

The Bear On The Doorstep – Poland, Georgia, and Eastern Europe’s fight against Russian power

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2024

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

What’s it like to live next to the world’s worst neighbour: Vladimir Putin’s Russia? In 2024, pro-democracy Georgians are beaten for resisting their pro-Moscow government from enacting a Putinesque “foreign agents” law. Poland is rearming against the Russian threat, and the Baltic states of the former USSR are subjected to hybrid warfare from their former occupiers. Yet instead of terrorising Europe, is Putin’s aggression uniting it behind ideals of democracy and mutual support? Polish historian Karolina Wigura tells Gavin Esler how Russia’s belligerence is turning Poland towards the West. And Russian Studies expert and RUSI fellow Natia Seskuria explains Georgia’s unprecedented pro-EU protests. Support This Is Not A Drill on Patreon to get early episodes, merchandise and more. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Huge numbers of police have moved in there. They seem to have lost control of the

0:10.5

parliament building for some of the time this afternoon they're making

0:13.0

up for it now with massive force.

0:17.0

The recent demonstrations in Georgia brought thousands of EU flag-waving citizens to the streets

0:25.3

protesting against the Kremlin-inspired law. Along with Ukraine and other

0:30.3

borderland states, the people of Georgia reminded the world

0:33.4

that Russia really is the world's worst neighbor. And yet, there may be some hope

0:40.4

for democracy emerging from all this destruction.

0:43.4

It's the sense that Russian aggression may not only be checked,

0:47.1

but also that the threat from Putin has united Europe as never before

0:51.8

behind democratic ideas and institutions.

0:55.0

We'll hear from two of Russia's near neighbors about the dangers now and how they're being

1:00.8

counted. I'm Gavin Esler and this is not a drill. Oh, yeah. Russia's 2022

1:28.7

2022 invasion of Ukraine was a wake-up call, a belated one, but it was not Russia's first European war of the 21st century.

1:37.0

Vladimir Putin had already taken big bites out of other nations.

1:41.0

Putin's Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, seizing Crimea and part of the Donbass region. The world shrugged. Back in 2008, Putin's troops supported separatists since seizing 20% a fifth of Georgia's territory,

1:59.0

the regions of Alpazia and South Ossetia.

2:02.0

Others, including the European Union and NATO muttered, but nothing

2:06.7

much was done. Putin, reasonably you might think, decided no one was interested in stopping his plans for empire.

2:14.6

That has now changed.

2:16.2

So of the politics of those vital European states where Russian aggression is both a threat,

2:21.2

and an opportunity to build a more secure democratic European

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