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This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the Thing from I Heart Radio.

After decades of debate, it is now common knowledge that the world is in the midst of an ever-increasing

energy crisis, and that the long era of burning fossil fuels for power is contributing to our own

demise. And yet, the transition to alternative energy is proving to be more complex than you might

think. The Harper's Magazine article Boomtown examines the solar land rush currently happening

in the American West, specifically in the town of Beatty in Nye County, Nevada.

The Nye County area has the capacity to produce enough energy through its prospective solar farms

to power the entire planet. Yes, the entire planet, close to the entrance of Death Valley National

Park, it's an area rife with flat land and almost endless sunlight, but residents are pushing

back on proposals to use its land for this purpose. After a series of exploitative boom-bust cycles,

like the Gold Rush, residents are opposing the plan on ecological and economic grounds.

They argue that covering Nevada in solar panels will affect wildlife, recreational spaces,

and the town's future. The article asks the difficult questions of who should sacrifice for

our collective future and at what cost. My guest today are deep into this inquiry.

Dustin Mulvaney is a solar expert and professor of environmental studies at San Jose State University,

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