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The Bastard Brigade, Spontaneous Generation. July 5, 2019, Part 2

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🗓️ 5 July 2019

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Much has been written about the Manhattan Project, the American-led project to develop the atomic bomb. Less well known is Nazi Germany’s “Uranium Club”—a similar project started a full two years before the Manhattan Project. The Nazis had some of the greatest chemists and physicists in the world on their side, including Werner Heisenberg, and the Allies were terrified that the Nazis would beat them to the bomb—meaning the Allies were willing to try anything from espionage to assassination to bombing raids to stop them. Science writer Sam Kean joins Ira to tell the high-stakes story written in his new book The Bastard Brigade: The True Story of the Renegade Scientists and Spies Who Sabotaged the Nazi Atomic Bomb.  Plus, "spontaneous generation" was the idea that living organisms can spring into existence from non-living matter. In the late 19th century, in a showdown between chemist Louis Pasteur and biologist Felix Pouchet put on by the French Academy of Sciences, Pasteur famously came up with an experiment that debunked the theory. He showed that when you boil an infusion to kill everything inside and don’t let any particles get into it, life will not spontaneously emerge inside. His experiments have been considered a win for science—but they weren’t without controversy. In this interview, Undiscovered’s Elah Feder, Ira Flatow, and historian James Strick talk about what scientists of Pasteur’s day really thought of his experiment, the role the Catholic church played in shutting down “spontaneous generation,” and why even Darwin did his best to dodge the topic.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Ira Flato. I have to admit it, I am an American history buff,

0:06.2

especially about World War II, and I thought I had read so much about it. Until I came across a new book

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about the competition between American and Nazi scientists to build the first atomic bomb,

0:20.2

boy, I was hooked. The book is called The Bastard

0:23.0

Brigade, and in it, author Sam Keen, expertly retraces the race to control the future of the

0:29.2

world. It's not only a story of good versus evil, but it's a well-documented story, hundreds of

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end notes and references of a little-known

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effort by American and British spies and military to arrest and assassinate some of the

0:44.9

top nuclear scientists in Germany before they can actually build an bomb.

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And they had free reign to bomb and blow up anything that got in their way.

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Sam Keane is a writer, author of many books, and this book is The Bastard Brigade,

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The True Story of the Renegate Scientists and Spies, Who Sabotage the Nazi Atomic Bomb.

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You can read an excerpt at ScienceFriety.com slash atomic bomb.

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Welcome back to Science Friday, Sam.

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Hi, thanks for having me back.

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Nice to have you.

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So why did you write this book?

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As I say, I've read a lot of accounts, but what made you decide to go into this specific detail of the war?

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I think it was just a story I'd never really heard before.

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I was kind of a Manhattan Project buff.

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I really enjoyed the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb.

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But this side of it, the idea that Nazi Germany would have been working on their own atomic bomb

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