Welcome to Breaking Down Patriarchy. I'm Amy McPhee, all the best. As long time listeners might know,

I have a complicated history when it comes to abortion rights and reproductive justice.

I was born and raised in an extremely conservative religion and family where a pro-life position

was an absolute given. It was unthinkable to even consider anything else.

And because my life experiences never confronted me with a reason to reconsider, I never did.

Until I took a class on women's health and human rights, and I saw data, and I learned the stories of women's lives, and I understood

the patriarchal power dynamics. This created a massive change in my perspective, and now I unequivocally

support women's right to choose. But I am actually really grateful that I have gotten to experience

both sides of this debate,

and I want to challenge listeners to remember next time you interact with someone arguing a pro-life side,

that was Amy 10 years ago.

And I wasn't stupid or evil 10 years ago.

I just had a different way of seeing the issue.

Today's episode is about the abortion debate and specifically some events in the 1990s

that may surprise and horrify and ultimately inspire you.

I had not known about this story until recently, and I think it's critically important to note

this story right now as America

continues to reckon with one of the most divisive and contentious issues of our time.

I learned about this event through a documentary series called The Basement Talks by

documentarian Sarah Perkins, and I am thrilled to welcome Sarah to the podcast today. Welcome Sarah. Thank you so much for having me. Sarah Perkins. And I am thrilled to welcome Sarah to the podcast today. Welcome Sarah. Thank you so much

for having me. Sarah Perkins is a filmmaker and PhD student at Brandeis University in Massachusetts,

though she currently resides in rural southeast Idaho with her family. Together with her husband,

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