Hey, How We Survive listeners, host Amy Scott here.

This week, we're dropping into your feed to tell you about another podcast we think you might like from our friends at Outside.

This episode looks at the climate impacts of where we put our money.

Hope you enjoy it.

This is the outside podcast. If you're around my age, in your late 30s, you probably grew up with the messaging that

you can save the world.

Whether it's through composting, recycling, organic this or fair trade, that, we were all told

that our individual choices were the thing that mattered.

I don't know if you've talked to any kids lately, but that messaging has changed.

The new word in saving the world is holding companies accountable.

It's group actions, legislation, policy, not letting companies externalize their costs and

pollute without paying for it.

Recycling doesn't hurt anything, but there is an argument to be made

that focusing on your own actions, which are never going to be perfect, just perpetuates a shame and

guilt spiral that keeps your focus on yourself, on your own powerlessness. It can keep you from doing

anything that matters. It's weird to grow up with good intentions, knowing something to be true, and then have people

suddenly tell you that thing you were doing, there's a better way.

Don't do that.

Do this.

So how do you create meaningful impact with your own choices and actions while simultaneously

holding bigger corporate

entities accountable for their pollution. Can you have it both ways? Outside contributor Kat Jaffe

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