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Welcome to the Slate Audio Book Club's discussion of the Flame Throwers.

Rachel Kushner's novel about the 1970s, the New York art scene, the radical riots in Rome, motorcycles, World War I, the Blackout. Am I leaving anything out?. Motorcycles. World War I.

The Blackout. Am I leaving anything out? Italian fascism? Italian fascism. Did you mention the futurists? The futurists. Brazilian rubber plantations. Brazilian rubber plantations, of course. Land art. Land art, right? Spiral Jetty. Salt flats. Salt flats. So I'm Dan Cois. I'm the editor of the Slate Book Review.

I'm here in Slate's DCc recording studio with double-x co-founder hana rosen hi hi dan and joining us from new york is

broadbeat editor david hey david hey david hi dan so as in all audiobook clubs we will be talking about all

the various plot things that happen in this book many many of which we already mentioned. So anyways, the point is maybe don't listen to us before you've read the book, unless you love being spoiled, in which case, listen away. But, you know, there are books where there's not that much plot to spoil, and then there's this book where there's so much plot, I mean, in the sense of things happening.

And we were talking beforehand, this book got a great review from Dwight Garner and the Times.

James Wood really liked it a lot. And there are acclaimed books that I read. And then that

acclaim makes me angry because I'm like, oh, well, this book is obviously bad. These people are

crazy. And then there are acclaimed books that I read where I just get sort of disappointed in myself because I feel like I and the book are like not on the same wavelength somehow. And that is how I felt about this book. And so your job, David and Hana, over the course of this podcast, is to explain to me why this book is great if it so happens that you think that it's great because I feel like I didn't get it. And in fact, at times it didn't even like seem really like a novel to me. Wow. I know the book is great. And so therefore I know the fault is with you, Dan. It must be with you. Please explain. Well, explain the greatness and also the fault, I guess, then. If we have time to get into both, that would be excellent over the course of this podcast. So the book goes off in all kinds of different directions. But so let's start small in our discussion. Let's start with the center of the book. The center of the book is Reno, the main character. That's not her actual name. That's what everyone calls her because she's from Reno, Nevada. Wait, it's important to say that is a nickname given to her, which she doesn't object to, just to set up the kind of emotional dynamics that happened between her. Things are done on to Reno. That's part of why it happens. It's a very sentimental education feel to the way the novel rolls, at least for the first

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