The Atlantic Interview: Masha Gessen

The Atlantic Interview

The Atlantic Monthly Group, LLC

Society & Culture, Politics, News

4.4 • 977 Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2017

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Author and activist Masha Gessen’s new book about Russia won the 2017 National Book Award for nonfiction. The Atlantic's editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg talks with Gessen about what Vladimir Putin wants, what Donald Trump’s election means, and how Americans should think about Russia's interference in 2016. Read the transcript. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:32.7	I'm Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, and this is the Atlantic
0:36.2	interview.
0:37.1	I'll be talking with Masha Gessen, the great journalist and writer and activist who's been doing
0:42.4	some of the most incisive work on Russia and the future of democracy.
0:46.3	Masha's newest book is called The Future's History, how totalitarianism reclaims Russia.
0:50.9	In it, she talks about how Vladimir Putin, against the odds, has kept control over his
0:55.4	vast empire. It's holding together as a result of sort of a combination of both fear and greed.
1:03.0	So Putin either instills fear in the regions or buys them off.
1:08.5	Hours after I interviewed Masha for this podcast, it was announced that she had won the National
1:12.6	Book Award for nonfiction, which means that two great things happened to her that day.
1:17.2	In our conversation, we talk about the future of democracy, about Putin, and, of course, about Donald Trump.
1:24.9	Do you think Donald Trump was brought to power by Russians or by Americans?
1:32.0	I think Donald Trump was brought to power by Americans.
1:35.4	Do you think we were over-emphasizing Russia's nefarious, either intent or actual actions in this moment?
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