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welcome to the atlantic interview i'm geoffrey gulberg the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic. On this

week's show, we have Madeline Albright. As I'm sure you all know, she was the first woman to serve as

Secretary of State, acting as America's leading diplomat from 1997 to 2001. Before that, she served as

America's ambassador of the United Nations. She has a new book out called

Fascism, A Warning. As a Czech refugee from both Nazi and communist occupation, Albright

can tell the story of fascism from personal experience and from her experience as a Secretary

of State dealing with actual fascists. Our conversation was presented by the Atlantic

and by politics and prose and was recorded live at the Sixth and I Historic Synagogue in downtown Washington, D.C.

It's clearly going to be a tough crowd for you here. I just want you to prepare yourself for that. I have to tell you before we start, when I got here about a half hour ago,

I walked into the green room. She was, Madeline was signing books, and I said, because I have a

tendency to joke around, I said, what is this book called anyway? And she said, it's called

fashion a warning. sort of an ultimate

Gilda Radner moment or something like that but we'll skip the fashion and go

right to the fascism let's start with definitions if we may. Define for us

the characteristics of fascism.

Give us a thumbnail sketch of what you mean

when you use the word fascism.

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