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Welcome to The Atlantic interview.

I'm Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic.

Today, we're going to the

U.S. Capitol to see how Senator Amy Klobuchar is surviving in Donald Trump's Washington.

Well, it's so great to have you here with your Atlantic podcast to give you a little more

product placement. We're not even reading. Being in the minority in the Senate is not Amy

Klobuchar's idea of a good time. It's not anyone's idea of a good time, actually.

But she's been trying to squeak out little victories on gun control and other issues,

and she's been very active in talking about the Russia investigation.

She's also someone who finds her name on short lists of possible Democratic candidates for president.

You have as good a chance as any as being president in 2020. So let's just talk about that.

You don't want to talk about that? No, because I am focused on Minnesota. And I think we have a lot

going on here right now. In the Senate, if you haven't noticed, we have major gun legislation. We have

dreamers that we want to make sure aren't deported. So there's a lot going on besides what

happens years from now. First of all, Minnesota is a very placid place. I know that because I visited you.

It's the bold north. I guess you didn't hear our super bold. The bold north? Yeah, it's bold north. That's what we call

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