The Atheist Experience 30.17 with Thinker and Trust But Verify
The Atheist Experience
The Atheist Community of Austin
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🗓️ 27 April 2026
⏱️ 177 minutes
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Summary
Adrian in CA asks why the hosts are no longer believers. He shares that nine years of prayer led to finding his wife. Hosts challenge the post-hoc fallacy and note that humans, not gods, did the work. Can he prioritize evidence over fear?
Amasa in MD claims he "knows" God because his prayers heal people. Hosts note that 98% success rates for surgery make prayer redundant. Why avoid demonstrating this at St. Jude's? Can an unfalsifiable claim be considered knowledge?
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| 0:00.0 | We've all heard Christians talk about the greatest book ever written, the Holy Bible. God is love, |
| 0:06.1 | Jesus is the good shepherd, and there's a mention in the sky with your name on it. They like to |
| 0:10.8 | present it as the ultimate guide to morality and goodness, perfect for Sunday morning, and even better |
| 0:16.4 | for their ego. But when you actually crack open the spine of that infallible book, the narratives |
| 0:22.7 | take a turn into the dark. It's a fascinating bit of mental gymnastics to worship a god of |
| 0:29.1 | infinite mercy while reading Leviticus 25, where that same God gives explicit instructions on how to |
| 0:35.9 | buy your slaves from nations around you and pass them down as inherited property. |
| 0:41.0 | And for every little, let the little children come to me, you have the stomach-turning reality of Hosea-13, |
| 0:47.6 | where the God of peace decrees that the infants of Samaria will be dashed to pieces. |
| 0:53.3 | It seems like most Christians treat the Word of God |
| 0:56.2 | as a terms and conditions agreement. Almost nobody actually reads, while those that do just scroll |
| 1:03.0 | past the horrific fine print and metaphorically click, I agree, on the parts that promise them a blessing. |
| 1:10.0 | If you believe in this Bible and can explain these |
| 1:12.7 | problems, then give us a call because the show is starting right now. |
| 1:23.5 | Welcome, everybody. Today is April 26, 2006. I'm your host, Thinker. And joining me is my co-host, Trust But Verify. What's up, Trust? |
| 1:32.4 | Hey, what's good? It's great to be here, Thinker. I'm excited to have you here. Tell everybody a little bit about you and how you got into debating believers. |
| 1:42.7 | Oh, man. Well, it all started with COVID, as a matter of fact. |
| 1:47.4 | And during that time, I actually started watching A-XP. |
| 1:52.2 | I went through all the back episodes, and it just gave me the inspiration to start doing this. |
| 1:59.0 | And I started with street epistemology, but I quickly found that |
| 2:04.6 | that approach talking to people online on TikTok wasn't as effective as I needed it to be because it was |
| 2:11.7 | very, the people were very performative. So yeah, so I decided to challenge them a little bit more and, you know, going on two |
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