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The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Experience 29.27 with Forrest Valkai and Jim Barrow

The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Community of Austin

Religion & Spirituality, Non-profit, Business

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2025

⏱️ 121 minutes

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Summary

In today’s episode of The Atheist Experience, Forrest Valkai and Jim Barrows dive into heated discussions surrounding the definition of God, the complexities of biblical morality, and the human search for purpose, challenging callers on logical consistency and the practical implications of their beliefs.

Will in the UK claims that if God isn't real, nothing is, defining God as "that which has authority of all things" and later equating it to "truth" or "objective reality." Hosts challenge the idea of "truth" having "authority" or "governance," pointing out the vagueness and the caller's confusion between a map and the territory. Can an abstract concept dictate reality?

Patrick in "Flying Lemurs" (FL) suggests atheists can't go wrong by following Jesus' command to love one another, referencing 1 Corinthians. Hosts question the practical application of this vague definition of love, asking if kindness can sometimes be impatient. Why should one rely on a book that also condones slavery and genocide for moral guidance?

Watcher 215 asks about "information" in biology, hinting at Stephen Meyer's intelligent design argument. Hosts dismantle Meyer's flawed definition of information, explaining that random processes can produce information and arguing that DNA, if designed, is "horribly bad." They also highlight the logical contradiction in God simultaneously keeping and not keeping a record of wrongs.

Mike in "Scuttling Crabs" (SC) disagrees with Jim's interpretation of "love is not proud" from 1 Corinthians. Hosts reiterate the biblical verse's vagueness, arguing it's uselessly general for practical life. They also critique the King James Version for deliberately misrepresenting words like "slave" as "servant," questioning the Bible's reliability as a moral guide.

Joshua in Arizona asks if we need God to be moral, leading to a discussion on the problem of evil and God's condonation of slavery and genocide in the Bible. Hosts press Joshua on how an "all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing" God can exist in a world with immense suffering, suggesting such a God is not worth worshipping.

Owen in Canada questions how atheists find purpose without eternal life or intrinsic meaning. Hosts explain optimistic nihilism, where individuals create their own purpose, and attribute the drive to survive to evolution. They challenge the caller's argument from ignorance, asserting that personal meaning does not necessitate a divine source.

Thank you for joining us this week! We will see you next time!


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi there. Forrest Valkai, biologist and science communicator with some special questions for you.

0:06.4

Do you believe that the human body is so complex that it must have a designer?

0:12.2

Do you believe that humans are not animals?

0:15.4

Do you believe that microevolution may be true, but macroevolution is not? Or do you perhaps believe that we've

0:23.3

never observed evolution at all? If any of these questions apply to you, if you answered yes

0:29.4

to any of them, or if you have more questions, comments, comments, concerns, or objections

0:33.6

about evolution, then call in, because the show starts right now.

0:48.3

I got to tell you, about a third of the way through that, I realized that I could not remember if I had unmuted my mic, and I was panicking the whole time, just like, somebody might just be

0:52.9

watching me just circulates and just make sounds and like, time, just like, somebody might just be watching me just,

0:54.5

just circulates and just make sounds and like, oh man, glad it all worked out.

0:59.1

Hey, I'm Forrest Falki and I'm joined today by the charming and handsome Jim Barrows.

1:04.1

How are you, my friend?

1:05.4

Ah, doing better than I probably deserve and, uh, enjoying life.

1:08.9

Hell yeah.

1:09.4

What's new with you?

1:11.8

Flip, dude.

1:16.7

I've got a ton of updates and a ton of things, but we're not going to talk about them right now because I have something to tell the audience.

1:19.0

And that thing is that the atheist community is a product of the atheist community of

1:22.8

awesome, which is a 501c3 nonprofit organization dedicated to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular

1:28.4

humanism, and the separation of church and state.

1:30.9

And as a part of that, we want to throw out that we are devastated, absolutely devastated

1:38.2

by the catastrophic floods that have been happening here in central Texas.

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