The Atheist Experience 29.02 with Jmike and Justin
The Atheist Experience
The Atheist Community of Austin
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🗓️ 13 January 2025
⏱️ 94 minutes
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Summary
Chuck in HA says the hosts on the show sometimes sound like they support Christianity because they say there just is no proof for god. The hosts wasted no time backing the caller into a corner about his beliefs. It turns out the caller was not able to articulate what the Bible describes about god and even claimed that Jesus is the Devil. How do you determine what parts are right and what parts are wrong in the Bible? If you do not believe in Jesus, how do you know that Jehovah is true?
Mike in SC wants to know if there are any books in the Bible that Justin thinks are true. Justin gave a handful of examples from the Bible that are true, and a number of contradictions found. If one part of the book is true, how does that make the whole thing true? What about the atrocities? How does making fun of somebody justify bears being called to maul kids or people at all? You must read the text for what it is and not what some goofy website says. God is vengeful and sends lions to kill his own prophets. Why did Jesus not fulfill even one of the Messianic prophecies?
Bill in PA wants to know how to defeat presuppositional arguments. Ask them for the argument, and then ask them to support the first premise. They will rarely have an argument for the first premise.
Jon in Canada says the fires in LA are caused by god and there is a correlation between sin and fire. How do you know what god’s rules are and what sin is? Where is the comprehensive list of sins found? What sins are people in California doing that other states are not? If all natural disasters come from god, why is he not focusing on another area?
Gabe in TX wants to know how to respond when someone says that atheists have no moral standards. Justin’s opinion is that objective morals don’t exist and people want them to exist so they can point to a behavior and say it is bad. JMike’s take is that there are views compatible with there being no god such as subjective meta views. Can a shoe exist without a person to wear it?
Jim in MO says that the discovery of the new world changed the laws of Christianity, and not Jesus. Remember that Christianity long before this happened already determined they did not have to follow the laws of Moses. The whole book of Hebrews talks about this and how there are new laws being replaced. Even Jesus and the apostles can’t agree with each other. How did the people that came to America have a different belief than the people that came before them? What is the end goal of this dialogue and support for your conclusion?
Ben, our backup host, joins to close out the show! Thank you for tuning in this week. Question of the week is, “What would Jesus do?”(Wrong answers only).
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| 0:00.0 | What did Jesus say and how do we, what did Jesus say and how do we even know he said these things? |
| 0:05.5 | For many Christians, the red lettering in the Bible often seems to be proof enough. |
| 0:10.0 | Perhaps you think, that's all I need, just to cite some proof text that Jesus said or did these things. |
| 0:15.3 | It might seem convincing at first glance. |
| 0:17.4 | But I've always found this approach puzzling, especially since Christians today |
| 0:21.2 | generally agree that early Christians sometimes invented sayings attributed to Jesus. And what do I mean? |
| 0:27.8 | Well, consider the gospel of Thomas. It isn't celebrated by Christians worldwide as an authentic |
| 0:32.7 | record of Jesus' sayings. Instead, it's often seen as an example of people adding to the narrative |
| 0:38.3 | to promote their own theological agendas. |
| 0:41.1 | If we don't critically analyze these texts, we're left with an uncritical approach to the |
| 0:45.0 | question. |
| 0:46.0 | Without a critical analysis, we can't reasonably determine what Jesus likely said, or even |
| 0:50.6 | assess whether he existed at all. |
| 0:53.1 | For Christians, this means we can't establish that Jesus actually said X, Y, or Z. |
| 0:58.2 | And for skeptics, it does nothing to address the concerns of mythists who reject Jesus' existence outright. |
| 1:04.6 | If the goal is to understand Jesus, his words, and his legacy, how could any rational person simply accept a just so story? Why is it often |
| 1:12.8 | taken for granted that the critical work has already been done for us? Because if you're |
| 1:17.4 | confident in your beliefs, we want to hear from you and we want to know why you know. The show |
| 1:22.6 | starts now. Welcome everybody. Today is January 12th, 2025. I am J. Mike. And joining me today, I'm extremely, extremely excited. A friend of mine, new recent host edition, Justin from the Deconstruction Zone, otherwise known as Deconstruction |
| 1:45.5 | Justin. How are you doing, brother? Great. I'm so pleased to be here, man. I'm having a good |
| 1:51.5 | time connecting offline with you and I'm going to having a great time connect here on the Athex |
| 1:55.6 | experience. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome. Do you, for some people that maybe didn't get to |
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