The Atheist Experience 28.36 with Forrest Valkai and @godlessengineer
The Atheist Experience
The Atheist Community of Austin
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🗓️ 9 September 2024
⏱️ 134 minutes
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Chris in FL wants to know what it would take for the hosts to believe. The Godless engineer mentions that it would take profound evidence for him to believe in the god of the Bible. Forrest is not sure what it would look like because it is hard to rule out tricks or mind stuff, and god would know what it takes to convince him. Even if this god was real, we would not be fans or worship him. Why does it always go to worship and not be good enough to acknowledge that god exists? How is god a reasonable being by burning people in hell for now worshiping him? Why does god have this hall pass for ethics and morality? Why does hell exist in the first place?
Andrew in NC says that Biblical slavery is not what it is propped out to be. We are concerned with chattel slavery and comparing this to American slavery is not going to go well. How do you think people in the Bible acquired slaves? There is no good slavery, PERIOD. How would you consider most marriages in the Bible where there was no consent from the women? Why does the Bible have clear instructions for Hebrew slaves, and non-Hebrew slaves? How would you feel about being someone’s slave for life? Why can’t god just say this is not cool when he has clear instructions on how to cut hair? Why is it acceptable for you to worship a god that says slavery is good? In what world are hired people treated as property and ownership is passed down to their children? When is it okay to beat these hired people? Why did god torture and kill tons of innocent people just to embarras the Pharaoh and what did the babies do to deserve this? This is a war crime. Which is worse: owning a human being as property, or cutting the sides of your beard? Why does god consider not eating shrimp a bigger priority than not owning people? Your god is a monster and it is a good thing he does not exist.
Dre in AL asks the hosts to explain why they are atheists. Forrest explains that god is a big claim and we need a lot of evidence, he doesn’t have a use for a god, and he has no desire for a god that would run a universe like this. Godless Engineer also has not seen evidence that warrants a belief and remains agnostic on the concept of a general god. Why do you believe in your version of god? What part of history contorts with what the Bible says? If you don’t have an explanation for something, does it make sense to just say it is magic? Why should we assume a supernatural explanation for something?
Mr. Michael wants to know why atheists consider it abortion when it is a miscarriage caused by a fight in Exodus. Why were fetuses not considered full blown people? The context of the verse referenced considers a married woman property. The father is paid for this action, not the woman. Why must a woman be forced to marry her rapist in the Bible? Abortion is not only used as a punishment, but also a fidelity test. To cap this off, criminalizing abortion drives up unsafe abortion rates.
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| 0:00.0 | Genesis says unto the woman God said, I will greatly multiply your sorrow at conception. |
| 0:07.2 | In sorrow you shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over he. |
| 0:14.1 | Then we skip over to numbers, and we see, oh, I'm so sorry. |
| 0:21.7 | Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman who is known a man by lying with him. |
| 0:28.4 | But all the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. |
| 0:34.0 | Then we can skip all the way over to Ephesians, where we see this line, |
| 0:38.7 | wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord. |
| 0:42.4 | For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church. |
| 0:47.0 | He is the body. |
| 0:48.2 | He is the Savior. |
| 0:49.3 | Now, as the church submits to Christ, also should wives to submit to their husbands and everything. |
| 0:54.8 | And finally, in Timothy, we see, let a woman learn in all silence and subject, subjection. |
| 1:01.4 | I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp of authority over a man, but to be in silence. |
| 1:08.5 | Over and over, this book proves that it doesn't really value women very much at all. |
| 1:14.4 | They are to remain silent. They are punished unfairly and unequally for the same original sin. |
| 1:20.8 | They're given painful childbirth and told that the only way they can redeem themselves |
| 1:25.2 | is through that painful childbirth. |
| 1:27.7 | And if we're honest, what do you think they meant by keep the virgin girls for yourself? |
| 1:33.5 | What do you suppose they were doing with those virgin girls that made them more valuable than the not virgin girls? |
| 1:40.1 | Over and over, the Bible teaches sexist and misogynistic messages. |
| 1:44.8 | But there are a lot of people out there who think that we're misinterpreting this, |
| 1:48.3 | that we're reading this in the wrong way, that there's some context that gives justification |
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