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The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Experience 28.13 with Jim Barrows and Armin Navabi

The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Community of Austin

Religion & Spirituality, Non-profit, Business

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2024

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

  • 00:00 Intro
  • 11:08 Ameen-WA | Should I Come Out As An Atheist To My Parents?
  • 34:42 Andrew-FL | Power Dynamics Preventing Consent
  • 56:51 Bjorn-(NO) | Upholder Of Potential Is Consciousness
  • 1:13:52 Jason-WI | Prophecy From God As Barnum Statement
  • 1:18:55 Jake-AR | Societies More Prosperous Without Religion
  • 1:25:49 Lucy-(LT) | Religiosity Breeds Toxic Positivity
  • 1:34:26 Josef-MI | Fascinating Details As Argument For God


SHOW NOTES

In today’s episode of the Atheist Experience, Jim Barrows and Armin Navabi sort through evidence for a designer, Barnum statements, and upholders of consciousness.

Ameen WA is contemplating reasons to come out as an atheist to his Muslim parents. What would be the two main costs and benefits to making this decision? Considering this will upset your mom, how long will it take for her to get over it? What will you do if the costs outweigh the benefits? What can be done to help fill the void your mother would feel? Showing support to your family is not the same as believing something. Sometimes you need to play a little peek at a boo with the mask. Don’t do it fast and get them scared.

Andrew in FL says that Armin failed to debunk the slippery slope argument about sexual relationships being allowed that have no potential for harm. How can you claim a failure when you don’t know everything that was said? The potential for harm with incest is much higher than it is with LGBTQ, that is why it is not fair to compare on to another. Incest will have the problem of power dynamics that makes it hard to demonstrate consent. The emotional harm can’t be prevented as easily as STDs can.

Bjorn in Norway has research that connects consciousness with god and every real life moment has to have the potential of becoming a realization. If you are trying to prove god’s existence, please define god beyond a name. What is god? How would you demonstrate this? How can we connect all these random sentences together and tell us why consciousness is necessary? How do you know that something can’t exist alone? Why do we care about things that are potential but not probable? How do you know what happened before the Big Bang?

Jason in WI has a prophetic message from god about things that will happen. What will happen specifically and what is the exact date and time? Making Barnum statements is not the same as prophecy. Don’t waste our time.

Jake in AR says the world would be better off without religion. Would a society that has closer beliefs to reality have a better chance of prospering than one that does not have true beliefs? As Forest would say, all models are wrong, and some models are useful.

Lucy in Lithuania says that religiosity can breed toxic positivity. We agree and this is also a way for religious governments to take advantage of people.

Josef in MI asks what god the hosts have an issue with and uses DNA as an example of why he believes god exists. We have a problem with all claims without evidence. Your interpretation of an experience is going to be heavily influenced by the culture in which you are raised. What do you think a good standard for god is and are we there? It must be proven the designer exists before we can prove that things were designed. Why would we assume that the supernatural or god has anything to do with our existence more than chemicals? Why would DNA being fascinating be an argument for the existence of god? How do we find the creator of the body like we can find the designer of a car?

Thank you for tuning in! Question of the week is: Why is Satan competing for god’s followers?


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Allah says in the Quran,

0:01.7

whoever kills an innocent human being,

0:04.3

it shall be as if he has killed all mankind.

0:07.8

And whoever saves the life of one,

0:11.5

it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.

0:16.0

I bet you've heard this a lot.

0:19.0

Even Obama once quoted this in a speech trying to show how peaceful and loving the Quran is. But there's a problem.

0:27.5

This is actually not diverse in the Quran. A lot of people misquote the Quran and it gets actually even worse once you go to the next verse.

0:38.3

So the verse that everybody quotes from the Quran trying to pretend that Islam is a peaceful and loving religion.

0:45.6

This verse is chapter 5, verse 32 of the Quran, and this is actually the actual verse.

0:51.5

Pay attention to the parts that they try to leave out and then when I go to the next verse things get a lot more interesting. So this is the actual verse. We decreed upon the children of Israel, meaning the Jews, this part was left out, that whoever

1:07.3

kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption done in the land it is as if he had slain mankind entirely and

1:17.5

whoever saves one it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

1:23.0

So notice two important differences

1:25.9

that they usually leave out.

1:27.2

Obama also, on his speech,

1:29.1

when he was trying to pretend that Islam is a beautiful loving religion, He left out the part that this was not a message to

1:36.2

Muslim. This was according to the Quran. This was a commandment for the Jews, for the children of Israel. And also there were some exceptions especially the part that says on this for those who spread corruption in the land and the

1:51.1

Quranic and Islamic definition of people who spread corruption in the land

1:55.0

are people like me or the rest of the staff of the ACA.

1:59.0

So this does not apply to us.

2:02.0

We are okay to kill. But this again, this commandment was for the Jews.

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