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The Artful Dodger

Tablet Studios

Tablet Magazine

Judaism, Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2021

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

This week, while Mark’s on book tour and Stephanie is dancing with diapers, we’re bringing you a minisode with a special story of the impact of a single hungry draft dodger. Enjoy! On October 19 at 12pm ET, Liel will be moderating a live discussion along with Manya Brachear Pashman of American Jewish Committee's podcast, People of the Pod. This is the first in a four-part series by Tablet Magazine and AJC titled “21st Century Europe and the Jews”, which aims to address timely issues related to Jewish life and the protection of democracies in Europe. The series will delve into the most pressing issues in the United Kingdom, Poland, France, and Germany. The October 19th live program, “How the Jews Went Right in Britain,” will start with the UK. Go to AJC.org/Tablet to register, and for more details! Please support Unorthodox and the other Tablet shows you know and love by visiting bit.ly/givetounorthodox and giving a gift of any amount! Aa always, let us know what you think of the show! Send us comments and questions at unorthodox@tabletmag.com, or leave us a voicemail at (914) 570-4869. You can also record a voice memo on your smartphone and email it to us. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to get new episodes, photos, and more. Join our Facebook group, and follow Unorthodox on Twitter and Instagram. Get a behind-the-scenes look at our recording sessions on our YouTube channel! Get your Unorthodox T-shirts, mugs, and baby onesies at bit.ly/unorthoshirt. Want to book us for a live show? Email producer Josh Kross at jkross@tabletmag.com. Check out all of Tablet’s podcasts at tabletmag.com/podcasts.

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0:00.0

Hey, J. Crew! It's me, Liel. And this week, well, I'm all alone. Stephanie still hanging

0:07.5

out with her adorable baby, and Mark had a book come out this week about the tree of

0:11.8

life-shooting, so he's out there in his fancy book tour, and me, well, I'm in my library,

0:18.2

drinking Jamaican rum, and feeling unloved. So, rather than just mope around the house

0:24.4

and bring you down with me, I want to tell you a story. It's not too long, but I promise

0:29.9

it will blow your mind. It's a story about how a shaggy haired, food-obsessed, draft dodging

0:39.9

son of a Brooklyn appetizing shop owner came to inspire one of the most beloved characters

0:47.1

in popular culture. A character so iconic that you wouldn't think it was based on anything

0:53.8

anywhere near real, especially not on a Jewish guy, and Mark Oppenheimer's beloved neighbor

1:00.9

named Arnold.

1:10.8

I am Arnold Gourlic. I was born December 15, 1946 in Brooklyn. My father owned the best

1:17.9

appetizing store in Brooklyn, kind of the Russian daughters of Brooklyn, famous appetizers.

1:23.4

The academic year 1969 and 70, I had been in my sixth year as an undergraduate because

1:29.9

I was evading the draft in the Vietnam War. I had a scheme to stay in school and evade

1:36.8

the draft board for as long as it took until I got out of the draft or the war was over.

1:43.6

So I pursued this course of borderline failure where I would fail a course that was absolutely

1:48.3

essential to graduate, so I majored in philosophy and minor in music in the classical guitar,

1:54.3

and I would fail aesthetics all the time, which I needed for both my minor and my major

1:59.6

and I would have to go back to school.

2:03.5

While Arnold was in school, he needed a place to live. Now, you haven't known Arnold

2:08.9

for very long, but it won't surprise you to learn that a kid who kept flunking classes

2:13.8

in evading the draft wasn't exactly swimming in cash, but Arnold was nothing if not

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