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The Atlas Obscura Podcast

The Art Spy with Michelle Young

The Atlas Obscura Podcast

SiriusXM Podcasts & Atlas Obscura

Society & Culture, Places & Travel

4.61.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

A French curator infiltrates a Nazi army to save masterpieces from the Jeu De Paume museum. Read more in Michelle Young’s new book, The Art Spy: The Extraordinary Untold Tale of WWII Resistance Hero Rose Valland.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's 1944, and there's a train packed full of paintings by the likes of Picasso and Monet and Van Gogh, and it's circling Paris.

0:11.5

And there is a woman desperately and secretly trying to stop this train.

0:17.8

So, Michelle, maybe you can set the scene.

0:24.9

So we have a woman named Rose Valen, who is an art historian in a museum called Jit Pomme, which is right next to Louve, a modern art museum.

0:30.6

And she's been secretly undercover working inside this museum that's been taken over by Nazis

0:36.7

since 1940.

0:38.0

And they're using it as really a clearinghouse for looted art that they've been stealing from France,

0:43.0

predominantly from Jewish families.

0:45.2

And as the Allies get closer and closer to Paris following D-Day,

0:50.1

the Germans think we have one chance to get as much art out to Germany as we can.

0:56.6

And so she's been watching this happen in the museum, packing, moving, labeling.

1:02.5

And now we are in the days before Liberation Day,

1:06.9

and she has passed her information to the resistance members in France, working with

1:13.4

the train service, as well as the resistance in London.

1:16.9

And she's hoping she can stop this train from leaving France.

1:21.1

I'm Dolan Thuris, and this is Atlas of Skira, a celebration of the world's strange, incredible,

1:27.4

and wondrous places.

1:29.0

Today, we are talking to author Michelle Young about her book, The Art Spy, the extraordinary untold

1:35.0

tale of World War II resistance hero, Rose Valon. It's a kind of heist story in reverse.

1:42.1

It is the story of how this French curator infiltrated the Nazi army to save art

1:47.5

masterpieces from the Jude de Palme Museum in Paris, how she wound up racing against a train

1:53.7

full of stolen art to, in this case, stop the heist.

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