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The Way Out Is In

The Art of Transmission (Episode #93)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Buddhism, Mental Health, Education, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness, Self-improvement

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🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to the 93rd episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino explore the art of transmission in Buddhism: wisdom and teachings being passed down over time, from teacher to student.  The hosts touch on the profound and nuanced ways in which Buddhist teachings and insights are passed down through generations, with the goal of cultivating understanding, compassion, and liberation; the role of nature as a powerful transmitter of wisdom; the significance of rituals and ceremonies in honoring this transmission; and more. Brother Phap Huu emphasizes the importance of deep listening, humility, and direct experience in the transmission process, and how true transmission goes beyond the imparting of knowledge, to a requirement that both teacher and student be in a state of non-self and openness to receive the teachings.  Enjoy! Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources  Live show: The Way Out Is In podcast with special guest Ocean Vuong plumvillage.uk/livepodcastInterbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing    ‘The Four Dharma Seals of Plum Village’https://plumvillage.org/articles/the-four-dharma-seals-of-plum-village    Dharma Talk: ‘The Five Powers: Faith, Diligence, Mindfulness, Concentration, Insight – Brother Phap Huu’https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4PGrMjea7A Album: A Cloud Never Dieshttps://plumvillage.org/album-a-cloud-never-dies The Way Out Is In: ‘Feel It to Heal It: The Dharma of Music (Episode #79)’https://plumvillage.org/podcast/feel-it-to-heal-it-the-dharma-of-music-episode-79  Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths  Quotes “Live happily in the present moment: ‘I have arrived; I am home.’”  “If we truly receive the Dharma, honestly and openly, by its nature we want to share it. It doesn’t start with us, doesn’t end with us. Instead, we are part of this extraordinary flow of life.” “Listening is the first doorway to communication. And many of us think that communication is about speaking or writing. But the foundation for speaking and for writing is listening.”  “When the Buddha embarked on a spiritual quest, he was looking for an understanding of suffering and a liberation from suffering. And the way of liberation from suffering is to be in suffering, to understand suffering, to embrace it and not run away from it, but transform it. Therefore, Buddhism is a way of life. So mindfulness is a way of life. Transmission is a way of life.” “When you hear the sound of the bell in the Plum Village tradition, you’re invited to pause and stop what you’re doing. Even if you’re listening to music, or having a wonderful, insightful conversation, you are invited to pause, to stop. And that stopping is a transmission of knowing how to cultivate stillness in life, in order to listen.”  “What we say, how we say it, and the tone of saying it creates a reality. That creates a transmission of knowledge, a transmission of feelings, a transmission of energy.”  “Buddhism is a very generous tradition. The Buddha offers, the teachers offer – and you’re the receiver. You can receive. Using the language of ‘I am receiving’ is very different from ‘I am taking.’ Or, even worse, ‘I am stealing.’ Because stealing indicates that something is now yours; it belongs to you. But when you re

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0:00.0

Dear listeners, welcome to this latest episode of the podcast series, The Way Out is In.

0:27.6

I'm Joe Confino, a coach working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems evolution. And I'm Brother Phaphu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen Master Tickihan in the Plum Village tradition.

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And dear friends, before we start our podcast, I would like to share something

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very special. On September the 12, Joe and I will both be in London to record a live episode of the

0:44.9

Way Out Is Inn, and will be joined by author and poet Ocean Vuong, who is a dear friend of mine,

0:51.3

and also an admirer of our teacher, Tengiqhan, and the Plum Village

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tradition. The evening will have a deep reflection and sharing on how we cultivate joy and

1:01.1

togetherness in the midst of hardship, something that we all need in today. And you can find

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details and tickets at plumvill village.ukk slash podcast.

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And we truly hope to see you present with us.

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And a few days before that, on August the 26th, Brother Papu and I will be releasing our second book,

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which is called Calm in the Storm, Zen ways to cultivate stability in an anxious world. It's a companion for these uncertain

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times and we're so happy to share our journey into the unknown. You can pre-order it now and it will

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also be available at the live event in London. Our first book being with business, Zen ways to

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transform overwhelm and burnout can also be purchased at your favourite bookstore.

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We'd love to connect with you in London.

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And today, brother, we are going to be talking about the art of transmission.

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And by that, we mean this sort of,

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not transmission in terms of TV, but in terms of the transmission of wisdom over space and time.

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The way out is in. Hello, everyone.

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I am Joe Confino.

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And I'm Brother Faphu.

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