The Art of the Deal, by Kim Jong Un

Worldly

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News, Politics, News Commentary

4.4 • 1.8K Ratings

🗓️ 14 June 2018

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

On an all-summit episode of Worldly, Zack and Jenn are joined by actual North Korea expert Jeffrey Lewis (host of the Arms Control Wonk podcast) for an in-depth analysis of how the Trump-Kim meeting actually went. They talk about how the US didn’t get very much, while North Korea got exactly what it wanted and more. They also give a somewhat counterintuitive take on how the summit, which led President Donald Trump to cancel US-South Korea military exercises, could actually be good for South Korean President Moon Jae-in. Zack talks about his taste in Batman movies, Jenn gives terrible microwave advice, and Jeff compares North Korean propaganda to Fox News. Our guest, Jeffrey Lewis, is the host of the Arms Control Wonk podcast and the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies Here’s a good breakdown of the contents of the agreement and some of the winners and losers from this summit. Jenn published a transcript of the summit press conference. We discussed the press conference throughout the podcast. Jeff Lewis mentions that this is not the first time North Korea has made denuclearization agreements. He shouts out a few of those past agreements over the course of the podcast, but here’s a timeline of past agreements, all in one place. We played a clip from Sean Hannity’s interview with President Trump on Fox News after the Summit in which the president praises Kim Jong Un. When Jeff Lewis was explaining the challenges that a dictator can face at home, he mentioned former Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, who was executed. Jeff also shouts out Michael Wolff’s book, Fire and Fury, when talking about Trump’s trip to Saudi Arabia. We dive deep into South Korean politics in this episode. Here’s a primer on some of that. As Zack and Jeff discussed, North Korean news published a photo of John Bolton and Kim Jong Un shaking hands. Jenn shouted out Yochi’s recent piece about all the ways China is the real winner in this summit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to worldly on the Fox Media Podcast Network. I'm Zak Beacham. I'm here with Jen Williams.
0:13.8	Hello.
0:14.8	Yoko Driesen is still out to vacationing in China.
0:17.6	No, actually he's reporting.
0:19.0	But I'm also here with a special guest, Jeffrey Lewis of the Arms Control Wunk podcast. Jeff, do you want to introduce yourself to our listeners?
0:28.0	Sure, I'm me. I study nuclear weapons from the lovely beaches of Carmel, California.
0:34.3	It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.
0:37.0	Well, like one half is good, Carmel.
0:39.4	The other half of nuclear, it's a little depressing.
0:41.5	A little bit.
0:42.6	Well, no, not when you're sitting on the beach,
0:44.6	safely out of range of any North Korean nuclear weapons.
0:48.4	So, speaking of, we have a real live expert on said weapons here to talk with us which is great because
0:55.2	we've got a lot of summit that needs expert analyzing and Jeff is here to do it with us.
1:00.0	But first some background to start you all off.
1:02.6	You know that Trump just met with Kim Jong-un,
1:05.3	and you know that the conversation broadly focused
1:07.6	on denuclearization, on this contested term,
1:10.9	but one that basically centers on somehow getting rid of North Korea's nuclear program.
1:15.7	The conversation went interestingly.
1:19.4	It ended with a declaration of principles signed by both leaders that Trump was very excited about.
1:24.6	It's very comprehensive, it's going to happen.
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