Hey Proof listeners, it's Julia Collins-Davison. I'm the host of America's Test Kitchen

and Cook's Country, the two most watch cooking shows on TV.

Now, I've been teaching people how to cook on TV for over 20 years, and one of the big

reasons why I love my job is because our content is the best. Hands down. Everything we do,

recipes, product reviews, taste tests, it's all about rigor. So, I feel confident when

I show someone how to roast a chicken or bake a pie that they're getting the most thoroughly

tested recipe out there, and not just feels good.

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I want to introduce you to my pal, Baxter Holmes. He's an investigative reporter for ESPN,

best known for his work covering the NBA. You've probably seen him on Sports Center.

Baxter Holmes, who reported the story, joins me now, and Baxter, what themes stand out to you

from the culture under Robert Sarber's ownership?

One of the things that will probably always stay with me was how a very simple question,

an ATK question was, what's it like to work there? Or what was it like to work there?

His most famous story, though, is about food, specifically the NBA's obsession with peanut

butter and jelly sandwiches. That story won Baxter a James Beard Award. Baxter, and he's a personal

friend, is one of my favorite reporters. He's relentless in chasing answers. But there's one

question unrelated to sports he's been trying to answer for some time. It's about Baxter himself,

and his very existence. Today on Proof from America's Test Kitchen,

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