From the New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.

For decades, breast augmentation have been one of the most popular cosmetic surgeries in America.

But in recent years, a new trend has started to emerge, the breast reduction.

Today, my colleague Lisa Miller, on understanding the appeal of the smaller breast.

It's Wednesday, November 20th.

Hi, Lisa.

Hi, Rachel.

So, you recently wrote a story about something that I am pretty sure we haven't covered on the daily before. And that topic is breast reductions.

And I'd really love to hear before we get into it why you wrote about it and why it interested

you. Sure. I work on the Well desk at the New York Times. And Well is the area of the Times

that covers health and wellness, nutrition, fitness. I am particularly

interested in the subject of women's bodies and how it feels to be in a female body walking

around in the world. So those are the kinds of stories that I do. So my colleague, Stella Bugby,

who is the editor of the styles desk, handed me

these numbers one day. And the numbers were from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons,

and they showed this dramatic increase in breast reductions over the last five years, driven by

women under 30. And she was just like, what do you think is going on here?

So I just said about sort of exploring both why the trend and also sort of what was in women's

heads as they were making these decisions.

Can you tell us a little bit about those numbers specifically?

What did they show and what were they?

So in 2023, which is the last year for which data are available,

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