What Octavia pushes back on is you do not know where liberation is happening.

You don't know where those seeds have taken root.

You have to actually sit with people, look in their eyes, ask the key questions you need to know the answers to,

and actually since at a

gut level is this someone who's trustworthy. I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons and a healing justice facilitator for social movements

living in rural Minnesota. And I'm Adrian Marie Brown, author of

emergent strategy, co-editor of Octavius Brood, writer, facilitator, auntie,

Dula, and pleasure activist living in Detroit.

And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

All right, all right.

We are going to have a conversation that we feel like, you know, we should probably lead this conversation as we often lead many of our

conversations with a bit of a trigger warning. We are going to be talking

about how we sustain movements under state violence and

repression and how we respond in the crises that are created under conditions of state

violence and repression. And so of course we're going to be talking about some of the specific types of state violence that we ourselves have witnessed

and that other activists and organizers that we are in community have witnessed or have experienced directly.

So we will be talking about assault, we will be talking about murder, and we will be talking about how we sustain ourselves and sustain our souls and sustain the work in spite of and through those kinds of moves that the state and various apparatuses of the state will

take to stop us from transforming society.

We have a quote from Octavia Butler,

and we're going to be talking a lot about

what she's offered in into this conversation. But the quote that that seemed

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