Change takes place when we begin to get real with God.

And sometimes that means in the kind of way that the Psalmist often does,

letting it all out with God, spilling out all that's on our mind, all that's in our heart,

before God, not turning away from him and moaning somewhere off stage, as it were,

but coming into his presence as a child to the father and telling him, I'm struggling, I don't

understand, I don't know what you're doing, but starting to be real with him or starting to talk

about some of the emotions and feelings and desires that you have that you wish you didn't have,

but they're there and being

honest about that. Suffering is a real invitation into that kind of relationship with God.

Tim Chester serves as Director of Theological Studies and Lecturer and Spiritual Formation

at Crosslands, an organization dedicated to equipping and resourcing

the local church. He has over 25 years of experience in pastoral ministry, as well as being

the author or co-author of over 40 books, including a new edition of his book, You Can Change,

God's transforming power for our sinful behavior and negative emotions from Crossway.

Well, Tim, thank you so much for joining me again on the Crossway podcast.

It's a pleasure. Looking forward to it.

So you've released a second edition of this book that you published with Crossway a number of years ago called You Can Change.

And the whole book is really just what it says.

It's about how it is that we as Christians change.

And I think the change generally that you have in mind here is sanctification,

changing into the likeness of Christ in the different ways that we do that.

And it just struck me that when we think about this topic of change, it's one of those things

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