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The Anti-Fascist Vigilantes Infiltrating White Nationalist Groups

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🗓️ 5 September 2024

⏱️ 49 minutes

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New Yorker writer David Kirkpatrick says anti-fascists are using extra judicial methods to do what the FBI can't, by infiltrating white nationalist groups to expose them and their planned attacks.

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0:00.0

On this week's episode of Wild Card, comedian and actor Rob Delaney tells us how to embrace failure.

0:06.4

I love failure now. I love it. I smash it up into a powder and I snort it.

0:15.0

It's so good.

0:18.0

I'm Rachel Martin.

0:19.0

Join us for NPR's Wild Card Podcast,

0:21.0

The game where cards control the conversation. The rally in Charlottesville, are examples of how the threat of domestic terrorism is rising.

0:35.0

Toward the end of Trump's presidency, the Department of Homeland Security warned that domestic

0:40.4

violent extremists pose the most persistent and lethal

0:44.3

threat to the nation more so than foreign terrorists.

0:47.0

FBI director Christopher Ray told a congressional committee that the threat was

0:51.6

largely from followers of quote some kind of white

0:54.0

supremacist type ideology. There are limits to what the FBI can do to infiltrate

0:59.3

extremist groups largely based on the First Amendment.

1:03.0

But recently, anti-fascist vigilantes

1:06.1

have been going undercover to become members

1:08.8

of white nationalist groups in order

1:10.9

to conduct surveillance and gather information.

1:14.0

They don't inform the FBI or other law enforcement officers about potential threats.

1:19.0

They leak the information.

1:21.0

My guest David Kirkpatrick recently wrote an in-depth piece in the New Yorker

1:25.0

investigating how these undercover vigilante spies operate, how they've crippled

1:30.0

several white nationalist groups, and led to the discharge of dozens of active duty military

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