Hello and welcome to the Bullworks Sunday next level interview. I'm your host Tim Miller on this week's pod I have the great

Amanda Shires outlaw country songwriter better half a fellow rocker

Jason Isbell she's featured in a recent New Yorker story about how our polarized

politics have infected country music. We talk about the Jason Aldine saga, have a

really heartfelt discussion about abortion and raising our kids and red states before getting

to some fun music chatter. I really adore Amanda and I hope you'll give this one a go.

But we take the interview on Monday before the third indictment of former President Donald

Trump, so I wanted to provide some reactions I have in the few hours after watching this.

I still can't believe the shit is real, these images of a former president arriving in DC to be arraigned for four felony counts in response to the conspiracy he orchestrated against our country.

As I watched it all still in disbelief that this is really our world all these years later, I got

a little razzed as you might imagine, but a few things, but one of them was this column from

David Brooks from earlier this week was titled,

What If Were the Bad Guys Here? In the article, Brooks argues that the quote,

educated laptop class and their meritocratic system of exclusion made Trumpism inevitable.

He goes on with the predictable laments about Latin acts and cancel culture and elite colleges and some of this stuff I agree with.

But towards the end it gets at something like this.

It's easy to understand why people in less educated classes would conclude that they are under economic, political,

cultural, and moral assault, and why they've rallied around Trump as the best warrior against the educated class.

This is such effing bullshit.

It's condescending bullshit.

There are people who don't know fancy cheeses

nearly as well as David that still have the capacity

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