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The Zach Lowe Show

The Annual Most Confusing Teams Podcast With John Hollinger

The Zach Lowe Show

The Ringer

Basketball, Sports

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Zach welcomes in John Hollinger for their annual look at which teams confuse them the most (1:58). Along the way, the pair discuss the Spurs (12:28), Celtics (17:19), Raptors (21:55), and Rockets (30:41). Which team do they agree on? And which team did Hollinger change Zach’s mind on? They also touch on the Mavericks (37:01), Pacers (52:01), Suns (57:18), some baseball talk, and a whole lot more. Host: Zach Lowe Guest: John Hollinger Producers: Mike Wargon, Jesse Aron, and Victoria Valencia Social: Keith Fujimoto The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Coming up on the Zach Lowe show, happy Monday, everyone. Preseason games are happening. You all dialed in, you sickos. It's time for one of my favorite episodes of the year. It's been an annual one I've been doing since basically this podcast existed in its prior form that shall not be named. My five most confusing teams of the year. Confusing, what does it mean? It could mean one of two things. This is the criteria. I'm the dictator. I define it. Confusing could mean high level of variance in a team's

0:26.1

win total. Are they going to be much better than expected, much worse than expected

0:29.6

uncertainty there? Or just like, what? What is this going to look like on the floor? How is this

0:36.6

all going to fit together?

0:55.2

I'm very confused by that. We got John Hollinger, the greatest ever do it, filling in the old Kevin Arnovich's role. Remember Kevin? On the five most confusing teams podcast, we're going to hit lots of teams. I don't know his teams. I didn't tell him my teams. I bet we have some overlap. I've got three East teams, two West teams. We're going to talk about that.

0:55.2

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1:48.5

slash chat in connecticut welcome to the zach Lowe show.

2:01.3

It's time for one of my favorite episodes of every year.

2:03.8

I've been doing this since the previous incarnation of this podcast started.

2:07.9

It was called The Low Post, I think, something like that.

2:10.9

My five most confusing teams of the year, and I have a new tag team partner for this.

2:15.7

He is the greatest to ever do it. From the athletic. Mr. John Hollinger, how are you? You're too kind. Thank you for having me on the show. Go brew crew. I see the hat. I respect the hat. I was actually asked before this podcast by my producer Jesse, who's a Dodgers fan. Have I jumped on the Dodgers bandwagon? I said absolutely not. My order of operations is this. Number one, Yankees don't win. Number two, two of my best friends from college, shout out Lucas and Nate are Mariners fans. They have never won. So they have to go ahead of the Brewers. And then the Brewers who have also never won. And like, what's not to like about the brewers? Midwest, Milwaukee, Cool City, loyal fans. The guy slides down the slide. So you're third on my list. Okay. Well, I'm hoping for Brewers, Mariner's, have some Northwest friends. I'm probably going to go out there for one of those games if that happens.

3:07.7

So we'll see. They haven't been back since I was, I mean, they haven't been in the series

3:11.4

since I was 12. So exciting times.

3:15.1

Okay, five most confusing teams. This dates back to the great Kevin Arnowitz, who is the

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