Now it's time for the Anchorman podcast with Matt Gates and Dan Ball.

Welcome back to The Anchorman Show. I'm Matt Gates, host of the Matt Gates show every weeknight, 9 o'clock, Eastern, 6th Pacific, here on One American News. And on Angerman, we get to have a more in-depth discussion with someone we're interested in. And I'm so excited. I've been waiting to get to the guest today on the program for some time.

We ran into each other on probably one of my worst days on our way to Charlie Kirk's funeral

and memorial service in Arizona.

And I learned that a very prominent person here in the San Diego community, in the faith community,

is running for the state senate.

And so I thought a great opportunity

to talk about where the church stands in America today, where the intersections are between

politics and our faith, and the inner workings of a campaign that sometimes will appear

behind enemy lines here in the People's Republic of California. Bishop, Art Hodges, thank you so much

for joining me. We were just chatting before we came on air about your pastoral service coming to an

end, your political service on the horizon. Before we get into everything I want to discuss,

just what was that like delivering your final sermon at the church where you've

pastored for some time and and continuing to be a source of mentorship to so many

other faith leaders in Southern California thank you Matt great to be with you by the

way and yeah I'm I'm in a transition time in my heart my mind my soul my spirit

I have pastor been a senior pastor

for more than 40 years. And that came to an end on July 19 at, I would say my decision. Let me say

God's decision. God's leading. I actually put that in my heart two years ago. He said 40 years and

that'll be it. And so July 19 was my last day as a senior pastor

locally here in San Diego. However, I still serve as bishop. I oversee 350 other pastors and

ministers and churches here in Southern California. So plenty to keep me busy there. But that's a

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