So what made you want to start talking about the wrongful conviction movement?

Well, I've never heard it phrase like that.

Wrongful conviction movement, interesting.

That's funny that there's a name. Yeah, I guess I'm on the outside, but I've independently

discovered that there's a lot of shenanigans going on and it doesn't get covered.

And so what you'll have is random people like me who, you know, I'm not from this field per se,

but I do consider myself a morally grounded person.

I mean, I am an Eagle Scout.

I like to brag about to my audience.

And I'm not seeing anyone else cover

a lot of these cases. And I'm hearing, in fact, the opposite. I'm seeing the New York Times

and very popular podcasts and very famous people stating things that are completely false and in a

morally egregious way, effortlessly. And so it is shocking and

appalling. And I feel like it's my duty to point out to whoever cares to listen that this

is an outrage. I agree. I independently, like, research these cases. And every time I go into one,

I'm hoping I'm wrong, I'm hoping like, oh, well, maybe they do have a case here.

Like, why would they put their reputations behind something if it was so obviously one way?

And I really do feel like I come into it with an open mind. And then I'm just shocked when the

evidence just piles up and up and up. And I'm like, what am I watching here? Do you hear that from your audience? Because I hear that a lot that I think everybody's guilty. And I always try to explain that I'm always hoping that every case I look at is a case of a wrongful conviction. I just haven't found one of the cases that I've covered. But do you find that the people say to you, you think everybody's guilty,

or also they use the word biased a lot? Do you get that? No, I think people realize that it's very

uneventful. To pick a case that is, I don't know, like, you got to be careful of confirmation

bias. That is true. But that's not how I come to these cases. There are a ton of situations that it just doesn't

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