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From Pushkin Industries, this is Deep Background, the show where we explore the stories behind

the stories in the news. I'm Noah Feldman. A few weeks ago, Donald Trump seemed to be offering some support for a conspiracy theory

movement called QAnon.

When asked about it, Trump said that its followers, quote, love our country.

Meanwhile, over 70 supporters of Q&N have run for Congress in this cycle.

One of the candidates, Marjorie Green,

has won the Republican nomination and is almost certain to be elected to the House of Representatives.

Here to discuss the emergence of QAnon and its distinctive character with us is Adrian Ha.

Adrian is the founder of a London-based game company called Six to Start.

He's been a journalist as well as a game designer, and he says that part of the way we should

understand QAnon's success is to realize that in the way that it functions, it works a little

bit like a game.

Adrian, I wanted to talk to you about a topic on which you've become, I would say, a

leading public intellectual.

And that is a deeper understanding of what is going on in the universe of QAnon, particularly why this immersive experience of

conspiracy resonates in a contemporary moment in particular. And I wonder if you would start by

just saying a little bit about your interesting, creative, and I think quite personally informed

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