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content for all Pushkin shows. A little while ago, a friend of mine told me, you have to meet this

person I know. Kate Porterfield, she's got the strangest job in America. So I did. We got together, Porterfield and I,

in a little conference room in Manhattan. I just want to understand how you ended up where you are.

So you're kind of viewing as we're just talking, you're thinking about whether there's something here that will, that'll evolve over time that you would imagine putting in the podcast?

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