You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hello, Paul.

Hello, Robert. How are you doing?

I can't complain, Paul. Let me introduce you. I'm Robert Wright, publisher,

a non-zero newsletter. This is a non-zero podcast. You're Paul Bloom, famous psychologist, Paul, let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright, publisher, the non-zero newsletter.

This is a non-zero podcast. You're Paul Bloom, famous psychologist, writer, and Canadian,

and publisher the Small Potato's newsletter. Perhaps not the very first newsletter that had that

name, but we're not going to go there, Paul. We're all derivative in some sense, aren't we?

Everything is just a remake and a redo.

Everything is a, is a, what's the name of that documentary? Everything is a, it'll come to me.

By Kirby Ferguson. That's the name of the guy. Everything is a remix. That's it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, I was, I was, I was, I was kind of, I think I warned you in an email to begin by expressing my appreciation for our regular conversation and say, say, I give my heart to you and look at the gesture. But I just, I just. No, do it. No, do it. I just can't. I'll do it. Okay. Who knows what I'm doing off screen?

It's weirdly... Okay.

Offscreen, Paul may be doing the Elon Musk Nazi salute.

He may be.

At any point, you know, my left or right arm, I might be Nazi saluting all.

I've heard that about you.

Yeah, I guess we should.

I want to get into the AI thing because I have so many

Radically takes but first but first I got to get you take on the Elon Musk salute

So occasionally people come on Twitter and they say that the very worst part of of your podcast is when I'm on it

And they say something is it's really annoying and And why am I on it? I've heard that, by the way, but go ahead. But I'm not. Other people say they adore me. But people are very negative. And they say, why do you have him on? They ask you. And I know you never really respond as if you're struggling for an answer. But I am a

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