The AI industry is at a major crossroads

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

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🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. It’s been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI, its DevDay in San Francisco this week, and the viral explosion of AI-generated video thanks to the company’s new Sora app. So I brought in Kanjun Qiu, CEO of AI startup Imbue and a close watcher of the industry, to break down what’s really happening, why it’s happening, and the societal implications of it all. Links: All of the updates from OpenAI DevDay 2025 | The Verge OpenAI wasn’t expecting Sora’s copyright drama | The Verge I’ve fallen into Sora’s slippery slop | The Verge Sora 2 users are having fun with Sam Altman’s face | The Verge OpenAI will let developers build apps that work inside ChatGPT | The Verge OpenAI wants ChatGPT to be your future operating system | Wired Sora 2 watermark removers flood the web | 404 Media What the arrival of AI-fabricated video means for us | NYT Recruiters use AI to scan résumés — applicants are trying to trick it | NYT Employers are buried in AI-generated résumés | NYT Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hey there, and welcome to Decoder.
0:04.0	I'm Hayden Field, Senior AI Reporter at The Burge and your Thursday episode guest host.
0:09.0	I'm subbing in for Nilai while he's still out on parental leave, and I'm excited to keep diving into the good, the bad, and the questionable in the AI industry.
0:17.0	It's been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI. The company
0:23.5	hosted its annual Dev Day in San Francisco on Monday, and I'm still here in person covering all
0:28.4	the news. They announced a bunch of ChatTVT product features and new agent tools, and executives
0:33.9	also laid out a pretty bold vision for the future of AI.
0:43.2	At the same time, the new SORA iOS app has shoved AI-generated video into the mainstream,
0:48.9	creating all sorts of unintended consequences and even surprising opening I CEO Sam Altman,
0:51.7	who's become the face of SORA memes across the internet.
0:56.8	And earlier this week, the New York Times published a great story about how AI-powered job screening has become so prevalent that applicants are starting to sneak in hidden messages
1:01.3	to chatbots inside their resumes, effectively trying to prompt inject the automated job screening
1:06.5	process for a better chance at an interview.
1:09.2	I brought in Kanjun Q, CEO of AI startup, MbU, and a close watcher of the industry to help
1:15.2	me break all this down.
1:16.7	Canjune has been both a tech founder and investor, and her perspective on AI and the broader
1:21.3	tech industry in general is a very unique one.
1:23.9	So I wanted to chat with her about this week's biggest AI stories to break down what's really happening, why it's happening, and the societal implications of it all.
1:32.6	Okay, MbU CEO, Kanjun Q on the good, the bad, and the questionable in the AI industry this week.
1:38.3	Here we go. Kenjun Q, CEO of Mbue, welcome to Decoder.
1:56.4	Thanks, Hayden.
1:57.0	I'm glad to be here.
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