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It just feels like there's enough trauma around the Titanic that to

recreate it and try and do it again you're asking for trouble. So I certainly I guess let me put it this way Rebecca, don't go on the

maiden voyage. Let it go on and let it like do it a couple times successfully

before you jump on?

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Now on to our episode.

Each week we decide who's to blame for historical tragedy and each week you tell us if we got it right.

My name is Rebecca Delgado Smith and this is the aftermath.

Hey everyone, thanks to tuning into this episode of the aftermath.

Today we're speaking with guest expert Dr Ryan Williams.

Dr Williams is an associate professor of criminology and

criminal justice at the University of Illinois Springfield and has

contributed his expertise to the popular Netflix documentary series, I am a Stalker.

Let's hear what he has to say about the Bert and Linda Pugash story.

Hi Ryan, thank you so much for joining us today.

Good morning, thank you for having me.

So can you start off by giving us some background on your area of expertise?

How did you become an expert on the crime of stalking and what drew

you to understanding this type of crime?

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