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Hello, everybody, and welcome to 2020 The After Show. I'm Deborah Roberts, and thank you for being with us.

I know so many of you are fascinated by true crime. I mean, that's why you come to us every week on 2020,

on Friday nights and here to this program. And of course, we often try to take a deeper look at

certain issues that we think might be appealing to you.

And today, we are going to talk to an expert who has spent her career peeling away the layers of these kinds of crimes that we cover and looking at the police investigation and how they can conclude certain things or what they may have missed or what different

things say on the crime scene. You're going to find this one fascinating and we're going to talk to

her about our most recent 2020 episode, which was the case that involved a 20 year old

aspiring artist and waitress, Amanda Plas. This was a very, very sad and tragic story.

She was found dead in her apartment. In Massachusetts, she was stabbed multiple times, found on her

kitchen floor. And what was so alarming about the case was that there was key evidence hiding

right there in plain sight. The case turned completely

when police began to look at some of the crime scene photos a little closer. So the big question is,

what was it that finally led to the arrest to crack this case? Well, to talk about this is a woman,

some of you might have heard of before. I certainly have here at

2020. We have talked to her about some of our stories. I'm going to bring in criminologist,

attorney and host of the podcast, Criminal Appeal, Dr. Casey Jordan, who is going to help us

understand the story a little more. Dr. Jordan, great to see you. It's my pleasure to be here,

Debra. Good to see you again.

Let's talk about a criminologist. So many people are fascinated and we hear the term thrown

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