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Hi there, everybody, and welcome to 2020 The After Show. I'm Deborah Roberts. And you may remember

one of our recent episodes. We brought you the story of Sue Markham, a beloved professor at American

University who sadly was murdered in her own home. It's a story involving a man named

Jorge Landeros, who authorities say sort of made his way into

Sue Markham's life. He was a yoga instructor, her Spanish teacher. Police say, though, he was also

a manipulator. Well, after 12 years, he was arrested and then eventually found guilty in a court of

law for Sue's murder. And after sentencing, the big question is, will justice finally be

served for Sue Markham's family? Well, 2020 contributor Pat LaLama joins us now. She has followed this

case from the beginning, has big thoughts on what the warning signs are in a story like this

for others. And Pat, talk to me a little bit about the court case,

because that's where you really, I think, you know, just do your thing. You know, you sit up and you

take notice and you report these stories in a way that nobody else does. Talk to us a little bit

about the trial and what that was like for you witnessing it. It was quite interesting. The first observation I made as a long-time trial reporter was that everybody was female.

The judge was female.

Interesting.

The two prosecutors were female.

The two defense attorneys were female.

The clerk was female.

Even some of the bailiffs were female.

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