Hi there, everybody. It's Deborah Roberts. Welcome to 2020, the After Show. Today, we're going to talk about family lies, our most recent episode, one which I reported on, and one which has just captivated so many people. When Nathan Carmen was discovered adrift on a life raft in the Atlantic in

2016, the world saw a young man who narrowly escaped death. It was an amazing, harrowing story of survival.

His mom, Linda, was nowhere to be found, lost at sea with his boat called the chicken pox, which sank during

a deep sea fishing trip.

That's what he told everyone.

But what started as a story of survival soon turns into something much darker.

As investigators look a little deeper into the accident, they discover that Nathan was also the last person to see

his grandfather alive, millionaire real estate developer John Choccolos. The 87-year-old had been

shot execution style in his own bed just three years earlier. And soon, detectives began thinking that the boat sinking wasn't an accident,

casting further suspicion on the surviving son who maintained his innocence in both cases.

So the question becomes, could Nathan have orchestrated the death of two family members to get

a hold of his inheritance? Is he a victim

of tragic circumstances or a cold-hearted killer? Here's a clip from our program.

He calls for his mother throughout the rest of the day. Never once saw her, never heard from her.

And he said upon nightfall, you know, he gave up trying to search for her,

and he went to sleep and then drifted through the Atlantic Ocean until he was located.

So let's get back to your mother.

You talk to her in all the time, you know, you out fishing twice a week.

How would you describe, you know, your relationship with her?

Is it good?

I don't see the relevance to this particular incident here.

Okay.

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