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podcasts. Hello everybody. Welcome to 2020 The After Show. I'm Deborah Roberts. And as always,

I'm so glad that you're spending some time with us today. We have got a special episode.

If you've been with us, you know that we typically take you behind the scenes of our latest

2020 program.

But today we're going to take a little detour.

With somebody who spent a lot of time examining acts of betrayal and deceit, we're going to hear

from Andrea Gunning.

She hosts a popular true

crime podcast called Betrayal. It is at the center of almost everything that they are showing us.

It inspired the hit series, Betrayal, Secrets, and Lies. This show focuses not just on horrific

crimes of fraud, double lives and deep deception,

the kinds of things that you see on 2020 programs a lot, but most important, it celebrates

the remarkable resilience of the people who have overcome the unthinkable. So today,

Andrea is sharing with us what she's learned over the four years of telling these stories.

And she's going to give us kind of a deeper look behind the scenes of last night's episode, which was called the Kentucky Conman.

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