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Music Hello and welcome to Big Mood Little Mood with Danny Lavery. I am the aforementioned Danny Lavery.

And with me in the studio this week, not just in the studio, but in my home, in my apartment, looking at me wonderfully across the table, is Sophie Lewis, the author of various essays about octopus sex, theoretical

screeds about capitalism, and numerous texts about family abolition, including the book

Full Surrogacy Now, Feminism Against Family. Sophie, welcome to the show.

Hello, Danny. Thanks for having me. Welcome to the show and welcome to my home. It's so good to see you in my home

because I don't have people in my home anymore. It's wild. I know. I'm very privileged to be here and I made it

despite having done a little tour of the analogous, not your address address in another borough or

whatever it was.

But I actually decided not to feel embarrassed because I know that New Yorkers love to,

you know, feel that their city is very complicated.

And, you know, Pennsylvanians like me will get lost.

If anything, I was just impressed that you thought I was a New Yorker.

I feel like you know I just got here myself.

True, true.

But I'm just so thrilled that you're here.

I will never, ever mind anyone being late ever again because it just means we get to go places again.

Yeah, it is wonderful.

And I'm so excited to get to talk to you today, not least because I feel like we were

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