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Hey and the thick family, it's Julio here and we're taking a little short summer break.

But we wanted to share a show that we recorded at the end of 2021 with Jelani Cobb, who

by the way, since we recorded, has been named Dean of Columbia Journalism School.

That's what's up Jelani, congratulations.

So Jelani is a dear friend of the show and we talked with him about a book he co-edited

called The Matter of Black Lives, Writing from the New Yorker, which gives a bold and nuanced

look at Black life in America.

So a lot of what we talked about with Jelani is obviously still so relevant, and we actually

could have had this conversation this summer, right, especially since the backlash from

white people as the population of Black and brown people grows in this country, like

we see that backlash on the daily.

And we're seeing this manifest through abortion restrictions, taking away voting rights

and an increase in gun violence and mass shootings.

And just in the last couple months, we've experienced horrific shootings targeting a largely

Jewish community in Highland, Park, Illinois, a Black community in Buffalo, New York, and

a predominantly Latino community in Ovalde, Texas, along with the law enforcement failure

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