This is on the media. I'm Matt Katz, sitting in for Brooklads' Stone. As you already know by now,

a draft of the majority opinion overruling Roe v Wade was leaked to the media this week,

as some background to the current groundswell of stories about abortion rights,

our colleagues at the experiment put together a piece about the resurgence of the abortion underground.

But the first voice you'll hear in the story belongs to the host of the experiment, Julia Lungoria.

Okay, tell me the story of you're coming to the story.

Yeah, so it's actually kind of bizarre. I love checking the schedules of hackers conferences.

Jessica Bruder is a freelance writer for the Atlantic, and she's not a tech reporter.

I am not a coder. I'm not super super tech savvy.

The reason she likes hackers conferences is because of the kinds of people who attend them.

My beat has essentially become subcultures.

Welcome to Hope 2020. There's so much going on over the nine days of hackers on planet Earth of 2020.

Hope seeks to build a vibrant support of community of hackers, and you're here. Welcome.

There's always somebody doing something really smart for the hacker half-time show or something.

We have a talent show. Hacker has got talent.

So I remember I was flipping through their sessions online, and it was just what you would expect

at a hacker's conference privacy. Defending your system through binary recompilation.

Coding. Just to the NSA level, well, but first adversaries. A surveillance date, and then.

I'm very happy to welcome Maggie Mayhem on hackers in a post-role versus Wade world.

Randomly out of nowhere, abortion. I believe that abortion is information technology.

So this is a talk that will be very frank about abortion in all kinds of contexts.

So it was this session presented by a woman who called herself Maggie Mayhem, and she had this very

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