The Abercrombie Guys: 7. Do you remember me?

World Of Secrets

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary

4.7 • 765 Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2023

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

The Abercrombie Guys’ alleged main recruiter is tracked-down to a small town in Wisconsin and asked about his involvement in the operation: “Nobody went into this without their eyes wide open.” One high profile American lawyer examines the team’s evidence and calls for prosecutors to investigate.

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This podcast refers to sexual abuse and contains interviews that some listeners may find upsetting, as well as some occasional strong language. If you've been affected by any of the issues in this series, please contact support organisations in your own country. For a list of organisations in the UK that can provide support for survivors of sexual abuse, go to bbc.co.uk/actionline.

World of Secrets: Season 1 - The Abercrombie Guys is presented and investigated by Rianna Croxford Series Producers: Ruth Evans and Alys Harte Senior Producer: Emma Close Development Producer: Hannah Livingston Investigation Editor: Ed Campbell Podcast Editor: Richard Fenton-Smith Executive Editor: Emma Rippon Studio Engineers: Neil Churchill, Andy Fell, Gareth Jones, and Ali Rezakhani Production Coordinators: Debbie Richford and Sophie Hill Commissioning Editor: Dylan Haskins Commissioning Executive: Louise Kattenhorn Assistant Commissioner: Natasha Johansson This podcast is made in collaboration with BBC Panorama. If you are in the UK, you can watch Panorama: The Abercrombie Guys: The Dark Side of Cool on BBC iPlayer now, or on BBC Select if you are in the in the US. World of Secrets: Season 1 - The Abercrombie Guys is a BBC Long Form Audio production for BBC Radio 5 Live and BBC Sounds.

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0:00.0	You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and maybe it's when I had a hand in.
0:04.0	I'm Tammy Walker and I produce podcasts for the BBC.
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0:35.0	Yeah, let's go, let's, because he's a bit kind of,
0:39.0	we're just leaving the house of Jim Jacobson, accused of being the main fixer in this entire operation.
0:47.5	We tracked him down to a wooden lakeside home in rural Wisconsin.
0:52.0	My heart's racing. We're just pulling away. Just had a half hour
0:58.2	chat with Jim Jacobson, the middle man from Mike Jeffries and Matthew Smith.
1:04.0	We told him who we are and why we've come,
1:06.5	and that we've heard allegations from the people we've talked to
1:10.0	about his time recruiting young men for the sexual gratification of the Abercrombie guys.
1:16.0	We want to know if he'll record an interview.
1:20.0	I don't know if he's going to talk.
1:22.0	He's, I mean, he's asked for us to leave his name out of it and maybe maybe then he'll consider telling his perspective.
1:27.7	Obviously we can't make those guarantees, but I did sort of say to him, you know, even if we were to do that, how do you think Mike Jeffries and Matthew Smith are going to respond,
1:37.5	will they leave your name out of this?
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