Welcome back to Drilled, I'm Amy Westervelt.

I'm Darnan Nor from Earther and I are still working on pulling together another episode

for our education series around what can be done about this problem of the fossil fuel industry

infiltrating schools.

In the meantime, I wanted to bring you the extended version of my interview with Ben

Franta, the Stanford University researcher we heard from last time who discovered how much

fossil fuel interests were shaping our understanding of economics in this country.

Ben got into a lot more detail about things that he has seen at the university level.

I think you'll find it interesting.

The conversation is coming up right after this quick break.

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