The A.I. swindle – Why Sam Altman is lying to you

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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News, Government, Politics, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 3 June 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

OpenAI chief Sam Altman once wrote that the most successful people don’t build companies, they “create religions”. Will artificial intelligence really solve humanity’s greatest problems and elevate humans to a heaven-like state like the tech bros claim – or just ruin our civilisation? Best-selling author and investigative journalist Karen Hao gained unprecedented access to OpenAI to unearth the story of what’s really going on inside a project that could transform humanity. She talks to Seth Thévoz about the disturbing story she discovered for her new book Empire of AI: Inside the Reckless Race for Total Domination. • Buy Karen’s book Empire of AI: Inside the Reckless Race for Total Domination from our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund the podcast by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. • Back us on Patreon – www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Seth Thévoz. Producer: James Liddell. Audio production: Jade Bailey. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. Music by Kenny Dickinson. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Some follow the noise.
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1:20.2	Hello and welcome to the bunker, your daily dose of news without the nonsense. I'm Seth Tevel.
1:26.3	What do the tech giants really think about artificial
1:29.7	intelligence? What are their intentions? And are we prepared for it? All these themes are tackled
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