Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast. I'm Grayson Log, a reporter with the morning

Dispatch team. Today we're talking with Daryl West, a senior fellow at Brookings

Institution Center for Technology and Innovation, and we're discussing AI,

deepfakes, and the 2024 election. Hope you enjoy the podcast.

They're all welcome to the show. Thank you. It's nice to be with you.

There's been a lot of discussion of the destruction that AI is going to have or

will have on the news environment, on an information environment, trust in the

news, and obviously the political ramifications of that for our elections and

for the 2024 election in particular. But before we get into talking about

some of those themes, what exactly are the types of AI tools that we're

talking about here that are going to have these disruptive effects? I mean, the

interesting development has been that we have democratized technology. I

mean, it used to be if you wanted to use AI tools, you needed an understanding of

technical aspects of AI, it required some pretty advanced skills. But with the

new generative AI tools, which are prompt driven and template driven,

essentially we have brought these very powerful AI technologies to the

ordinary person. Like literally anybody can use these things. So if you want to

develop fake videos or fake audio tapes, it's very easy to do that. There are

other types of applications as well. But the key thing is they really are

accessible to anyone around the world. And so these are for an example, this is

something like a chat GBT-like model where if you wanted to mimic the

voice, the verbal tone or voice of a politician, you could plug that into a

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