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Welcome to another podcast from insidecarolina.com, the independent voice of UNC Sports.

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What is good, everybody.

Welcome back.

We appreciate you joining us on another episode of The 40 Club.

Tommy Ashley's here with us.

Our guest today is Shaman Williams, a 1998 graduate of the University of North Carolina.

We haven't done one of these shows in a while, Tommy, because gosh, knows, everything else has gotten in the way.

But we figured we'd go ahead and throw one back on the fire because we had a chance to talk to Shaman.

But we appreciate you guys. Listen, this is one of the Inside Carolina Network podcasts. Be sure you can check all of them out.

Hit subscribe, download, listen wherever you can on Apple Music, Spotify, what have you. Take a second,

give us a five-star review. If you feel so, if you don't feel so moved, then shoot us a note and let us know why you

don't like it or why you do like it or what we could do better.

You can also watch this on YouTube, as you can see, my glorious face, Tommy's beautiful

visage and Shaman's amazing backdrop of his two, both away and home versions of his number three that he wore in Chapel Hill.

Tommy, how you doing, man?

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