For people who are in it right now, it does feel like you can't get out.

Like I couldn't see a way out. It wasn't until I started exploring why this could have happened for me

and like really asking that question. This is actually

going to take you to where you want to go if you ask the right questions and do you

it the right way. Amy, I'm so excited to have you on the podcast.

Thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited about this.

All right guys, for those of you listening, I am holding her book. I'm very excited about it.

It is called The Setback Cycle, how defining moments can move us forward.

I don't typically jump right into the book and the book title, Amy,

but when I got this in the mail, because I knew you were coming on,

I'm so in this topic in my life right now. year coming off of a

off of a massive setback, which I just told you about,

and I'm emerging on the other side,

so I now can see all of the reasons why I went

through that setback so this book for anybody who's in it right now maybe you're

at the beginning maybe you're in the middle maybe you're at the end we're going to talk about the

neuroscience of setbacks we're going to talk about all of the people historically who have

had setbacks we're going to talk about why you wrote this book so let let's dive in there. I just want to start with, you know, you do a lot of interviews. You do a lot of writing for Forbes. I know that you do a lot of writing for other things as well.

Typically you get to hear about everybody's journey.

Tell me about why you wrote about this

and also your journey of setbacks. Yes, so much to dive into.

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