Welcome to the Jasmine Star Show. Just before the camera's turned on, we realized that somewhere

behind the scenes, we've calculated the archive, and this is episode 620. And I couldn't be more

excited and honored to have a conversation about my favorite thing. Money! Today we're going to be

having a conversation around the differences between making money, aka riches, and turning it into

wealth, the differences between how we look at money and the potential for it, and how to strategically

use your money to build something that's bigger than you, that gives you options, that allows

you to step into the things that you want to when you want to do it. And I'm speaking this as like a first person narrative. I had a conversation with our guest today. And we immediately hopped on. It was, we made an introduction. It took us a couple months to get together. And the minute we got onto the Zoom call within five minutes, I was about to like braid her hair, write KIT and her yearbook, send her friendship bracelet, and say, like, pack me up in your bags,

we're going to be friends for life. I actually was almost this close to harpooning her and said,

I will put you on my pocket, you cannot leave me for the rest of my life. And then all of a sudden

I decided to instead to ask her on my podcast and share her brilliance with you. Welcome to the show,

Caitlin Carson. Thank you. I'm so happy you here. That was quite the introduction. Well, it would be quite the introduction if it wasn't entirely true because now it's just a series of facts. Yes. You're incredible. Thank you. Thank you for being here. And let's keep the main thing, the main thing. I love when people have optionality. And optionality was explained to me as you're not forced to do something.

You get to choose to do something. But so many of us are forced into doing something because we don't

have options. We go to the job that we know. We stay in the house that we know. We date the same person

that we know. And a tool that I've learned as I've gotten older and as my business has gotten

bigger is that optionality comes when I've gotten older and as my business has gotten bigger is that

optionality comes when we have made strategic decisions at one point in our life to pursue a

different result. One example would be, I didn't start with money. I didn't grow up with money.

I created a business that slowly over time, like my first was like my dream was, if I can make

$10,000 a month, my life would change. And then dream was, if I could make $10,000 a month,

my life would change. And then it turned into, if I can make $100,000 a month, my life would

change. If we did a million dollars in a year, my life would change. If we did a million

dollars in a month. And then with every subsequent milestone, it didn't ever seem like

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