Ladies and gentlemen, in the last podcast, we had Dr. Carl Payne on to talk about spiritual warfare,

particularly his book, Spiritual Warfare, Christians, Demonization, and Deliverance.

And if you come from a conservative, non-denominational background that's not charismatic,

you probably haven't been taught

much about spiritual warfare you've probably been just taught to ignore it or to say it doesn't

really happen or even though the bible talks about it in many different places and so i wanted

to have carl on because this book that this book that he has written is so good.

But before I get into it, Carl, you know, you were the, you were the chaplain for the Seattle

Seahawks for a number of years. You have a Super Bowl ring on. Don't you have a Super Bowl ring on

right there? Yeah, I ended up with three of those, Frank.

Three? Did they, how did this, Did the Seahawks win three times?

No, but anytime you go to the Super Bowl, like this one is from 13 where we won.

So this one says Super Bowl world champions.

If you lose the game, they still give you a big honking ring.

All it says is NFC champion or AFC champion. I got it. So the

players on both teams. So I got an NFC championship, you know, from 06 when we were in Detroit,

got the one where we won it in 13 and then got another one or NFC champion, you know, in 14.

So they, uh, my, my deal with Mike Holmgren.

I, I worked with five different coaches, all right. Flores was the first one. So you can date me when

it goes back. Yep. Uh, but, uh, he said, uh, he said, I want to help you raise money because

I want you to stay here because I'd already been there four or five years when Mike came. He said, I want to help you raise money because I want you to stay here because I'd already been there four or five years when Mike came. He said, I've heard a lot about you. And I said, well, I've heard a

lot about you. And he smiled. And he says, what can I do? I want you stay. And he said, I help you raise

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