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Sinica Podcast

The 20th Party Congress postgame show with Damien Ma and Lizzi Lee

Sinica Podcast

Kaiser Kuo

Culture, China News, Hangzhou, Chinese, International Relations, Chongqing, Beijing, Sichuan, Currentaffairs, China, Politics, Chengdu, Shanghai, Guangzhou, China Economy, News, China Politics, Business, Film, Shenzhen

4.8676 Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

This week on Sinica, our friends at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs invited us for a live show taping before a small group. Kaiser is joined by Lizzi Lee, MIT-trained economist-turned-reporter who hosts the Chinese-language show "Wall Street Today" as well as The China Project's "Live with Lizzi Lee," both on Youtube; and by Damien Ma, who heads the Paulson Institute's in-house think tank MacroPolo. These two top-shelf analysts of Chinese politics break down what was important — and what was just a sideshow — at the 20th Party Congress, and offer their knowledgeable perspectives on the individuals named to key posts and what this likely means for China's direction. Don't miss this one!

2:40 – Findings from MacroPolo’s “fantasy PBSC” experiment   

8:18 – Did China watchers overemphasize Xi Jinping’s political constraints?  

12:31 – Support for Li Qiang across different political factions

17:23 – The changing factional composition of Chinese elite politics

20:20 – Return of the technocrats

23:27 – “Generation-skipping” in China’s recent political promotions

28:26 – The selection of Cai Qi

32:46 – Li Shulei as a successor to Wang Huning 

37:07 – The future of China’s economic leadership

39:52 – Selection of the vice premiers 

41:18 – The future of China’s diplomatic core

45:28 – The Hu Jintao episode

49:22 – Revising the “Zero-COVID” policy

51:17 – Reassessing China’s intentions vis-à-vis Taiwan 

A transcript of this podcast is available at TheChinaProject.com.

Recommendations: 

Lizzi: Prestige, Manipulation, and Coercion: Elite Power Struggles in the Soviet Union and China after Stalin and Mao by Joseph Torigian

Damien: Slouching Towards Utopia by Brad DeLong

Kaiser: "Taiwan, the World-Class Puzzle," a Radio Open Source podcast hosted by Christopher Lydon

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Cynica podcast, a weekly discussion of current affairs in China, produced in partnership with the China Project.

0:15.5

Subscribe to access from the China Project to get access, access to not only our great daily newsletter, but all the

0:21.3

original writing on our website at theChinaproject.com. We've got reported stories, essays,

0:26.9

and editorials, great explainers and trackers, regular columns, and of course, a growing library

0:32.5

of podcasts. We cover everything from China's fraught foreign relations to its ingenious

0:37.3

entrepreneurs,

0:38.3

from the ongoing repression of Uyghurs and other Muslim peoples in China's Xinjiang region,

0:43.6

to Beijing's ambitious plans to shift the Chinese economy onto a post-carbon footing.

0:49.3

It's a feast of business, political, and cultural news about a nation that is reshaping the world.

0:55.6

We cover China with neither fear nor favor.

0:59.1

I'm Kaiser Guo, and today I am at the Chicago Council for Global Affairs, where our good friends

1:04.1

here at the council have invited us to a small group live taping of the show.

1:08.9

With me here are my colleague Lizzie Lee, who hosts the excellent

1:12.8

Chinese language show Wall Street Today, Gene Yer Jir Jha, and the China Project's own live with Lizzie

1:18.6

Lee. And I'm at Shoshi interviews, academics and analysts and business leaders about China's finance,

1:25.3

about the economy, about business, about politics. If you haven't

1:29.1

already started watching it, it's just amazing. Lizzie did her doctorate in economics at MIT and went on

1:34.9

into media, mainly out of exasperation at the paltry choices that Chinese language viewers in the

1:40.2

diaspora have before them, like straight up party propaganda or Falun Gong or Guo and

1:46.0

Gwe.

1:46.6

You get your choice of these three, or Lizzie now.

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You can take Lizzie.

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