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The Town with Matthew Belloni

The 2025 Movie Franchise Draft

The Town with Matthew Belloni

The Ringer

Society & Culture

4.31.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Matt is joined by Bloomberg’s Lucas Shaw to draft which movie franchises they would most want to start a movie studio with in 2025. They each select five franchises, as well as one TV franchise, and make the case for why they are best suited to succeed over the next 10-20 years. For a 20 percent discount on Matt’s Hollywood insider newsletter, ‘What I’m Hearing ...,’ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us your thoughts! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thetown@spotify.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Host: Matt Belloni Guest: Lucas Shaw Producers: Craig Horlbeck and Jessie Lopez Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is Monday, November 3rd. Two of the most dreaded words in Hollywood are franchise fatigue.

0:37.9

The modern movie business and increasingly TV is built on repeatable franchises,

0:42.6

properties that the audience knows and they can come back for year after year over and over.

0:48.0

But lately there have been major signs that audiences are kind of getting sick of what Hollywood

0:52.1

has been peddling over and over.

0:54.3

Everything from the decline of Marvel movies and other superhero properties to IP failures

0:59.5

this year, like the third Tron movie and the fifth Karate Kid movie and recent horror

1:04.5

misfires like Megan 2.0 and the Exorcist debacle. The hierarchy of franchises seems to be

1:10.7

remaking itself post-COVID.

1:13.2

Even established and reliable franchises like Jurassic World and John Wick,

1:17.5

they've been showing their age a bit.

1:19.2

And they're being replaced by new franchises.

1:21.4

Not as many of them, of course, but there are new ones.

1:24.3

So if you were starting a studio today and money was no object, you're David Ellison,

1:29.1

which franchises would you bet on? That's what we're doing today with Lucas Shaw from Bloomberg.

1:34.1

We've done IP drafts in the past. This one is slightly different. We're picking individual

1:38.6

properties. So you can't pick Marvel, you can't pick DC. You need to pick franchises like

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