The 2020 Election: A (Revisited) First Draft w/ Robert Costa
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
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🗓️ 22 July 2024
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Joe Biden has decided to decline the Democratic nomination for the Presidency in 2024 so today we take a look back at Biden's path to seek the nomination in 2020 and Ben shares his thoughts on why July 21, 2024 might be the day that secures Biden's legacy in American history.
Our conversation with Robert Costa on his book Peril, which he co-authored with Robert Woodward, originally aired as RTN episode 213 on November 15, 2021. This episode includes an edited version of that conversation with a new introduction by Ben. The original episode description is below:
The 2020 Presidential election was one of the most tumultuous in American history, and while Joe Biden's victory over Donald Trump is settled, Trump's refusal to accept defeat has had implications that transcend his time in the oval office. In this episode, Bob and Ben speak with Robert Costa, whose new book Peril draws on his and co-author Bob Woodward's extensive investigation of the Biden and Trump campaigns and Trump's handling of executive power during his time in office. Robert explains how he finds and vets sources, his method of "deep background" interviews, and how he maintains journalistic disinterest in the face of intense partisan conflict. He also discusses what he learned about Trump and Biden as candidates and individuals and why he believes that the peril that characterized the Trump-Biden transition remains a source of concern more than a year after the 2020 election.
Robert Costa is the chief election & campaign correspondent for CBS News, where he covers national politics and American democracy. You can follow him on twitter at @CostaReports.
If you enjoyed this conversation, check out our previous conversation with Robert in RTN #130 Sources, Methods & Music w/ Robert Costa.
"I think you've always been fair." -Donald Trump to Robert Woodward
Full Audio of Trump's phone call with Bob Woodward about the publication of Fear, August 14, 2018.
This episode was edited by Ben Sawyer.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Ben Sawyer and this is the road to now. |
| 0:08.6 | With the now being the end of the road for Biden's 2024 presidential campaign, if you've |
| 0:15.4 | been listening to this show for a while, you probably know that I myself am usually |
| 0:19.3 | pretty skeptical of the word historic when |
| 0:21.6 | used to describe current events these days. I mean, everything that happens is technically historic. |
| 0:26.8 | So just like every town off an American interstate exit, the word gets used way too much, just a |
| 0:31.6 | rhetorically true yet utterly dishonest way of getting people to stop, look, and maybe spend a few |
| 0:35.6 | dollars. Sorry, I'm a bit cynical about it. |
| 0:38.3 | But as it turns out, I do actually believe that there are moments where you can see something |
| 0:43.0 | significant happening. I think something that we'll at least look back on and notice, I guess. |
| 0:48.8 | But it always matters what we do with it. Now, to be fair, what happens next is anybody's guess. |
| 0:56.0 | But as I've been following Biden's decision, and this is kind of a weird thing because I don't follow the news cycle. Bob does |
| 1:01.6 | more of that. I pay attention to it. I care about politics. I pay attention to a lot of local stuff. |
| 1:06.6 | But I've actually been following these calls for Biden to resign. And it's gotten to me more than just about anything has in modern politics, I think, in terms of being really worried. |
| 1:17.4 | And the reason I'm worried, first of all, as I think John Stewart probably did the best job explaining, the Democratic Party was just asking everyone to not see what they saw. |
| 1:27.4 | It was kind of scary. So there's |
| 1:30.2 | that. There's the fact that we are going into an election with two people who can't make coherent |
| 1:36.5 | sentences or make rational arguments. And we were in a situation where it was going to be one of them. |
| 1:42.1 | And if this makes you upset as a person who likes one of these candidates, I apologize, |
| 1:48.2 | but I will say something. |
| 1:49.5 | As someone who has made sure their Facebook feed shows people from a variety of political |
| 1:55.2 | perspectives, America might have been more united the night of that debate than I've seen |
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